During the 2016 Labour leadership elections the right-wing controlled NEC orchestrated a massive purge of ordinary Labour membesr designed to prevent them voting for Jeremy Corbyn in the leadership election.
Literally thousands of people were instantly kicked out for the most trivial of offences. Stuff like retweeting a Green Party politician, admitting that they used to support another political party in the years before they joined Labour, and even for tweeting that they love the Foo Fighters.
There were no tears of frustration and screams of outrage from Labour right-wingers or elitist hacks in the mainstream media.
They didn't speak out because they tacitly approved of what was going on, knowing that a mass purge of ordinary members in order to rig the leadership election against Corbyn was their only chance of crushing Labour party socialism and returning the party to orthodox neoliberalism.
Their plot failed spectacularly because they would have had to have purged well over 120,000 members, but their absolute contempt for ordinary party members, and their willingness to abuse the rules for their own advantage was made absolutely and undeniably clear.
Fast forward to 2019 and these same Labour right-wingers and neoliberal media hacks are screeching with outrage that Alistair Campbell got himself kicked out of the Labour Party for openly bragging that he voted for the unrepentant, pro-austerity, welfare-vandalising, wage-repressing, Royal Mail-privatising Lib-Dem neoliberals who wilfully helped the Tories lay the groundwork for Brexit by trashing our living standards for five ruinous years.
So after saying absolutely nothing to condemn the bending of the party rules to purge thousands of ordinary party members in 2016, they're suddenly spewing outrage because the party rules haven't been bent in the complete opposite direction to let a high profile party figure publicly flaunt the party rule that you don't campaign and vote for rival political parties.
The distinction here is absolutely clear, and yet again it's elitism.
Labour right-wingers and mainstream media hacks don't give a shit about ordinary people like you and I, and wouldn't dream of speaking up for us when the rules are being deliberately bent to punish "the lower orders" for their political opinions.
But when it's one of their fellow elitists from deep within the Westminster establishment class getting punished for wantonly defying the party rules, suddenly it's tears of outrage and demands for an exception to a rule that would certainly have seen any ordinary member instantly purged from the party at any point in its history.
This idea that the rules should be bent to discriminate against ordinary people, but bent the complete other way to excuse those at the top of the party is outright and ugly elitism, and there's no excuse for it whatever, especially in a party like Labour.
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I notice Thomas has failed to mention the Lewisham Hustings that was closed down by Hope not Hate (Labour funded) last year that directly affected a local election...
I agree. And the decision to review this expulsion is pathetic and could set a dangerous precedent. He knew what he was doing, as do all the other #expellmetoo lemmings. It wasn't that long ago the 'moderates' were worried about being purged: now they are falling on their swords. With friends like this...
He didn't mention the recipe for duck a l'orange either. My guess would be because neither has anything to do with the theme of the article.
Hes never going to Labour election meddling, hes openly biased toward them. It's what makes his blog an absolute joke.
He'd never mention Labour outright meddling in an election, hes completely biased toward them. It's what makes his blog an absolute joke.
Campbells been around Westminister for years, he realises a sinking ship when he sees one.
He literally used an example of the New Labour ploy to meddle in the leadership elections, I used a example of Labour meddling, successfully in a local election. You're right, it wasn't a theme, it was an outright comparison. Idiot, lol
No he used an example of a high-profile Labour member being suspended for breaking party rules. You used an example of a group of unknown people protesting the appearance of a racist candidate standing for another party (hardly election meddling!!!). The only comparison would be if the protesters were all Labour members who subsequently all voted Lib Dem. Otherwise its all in your head.
Lol: NO.
Thomas used the example of the New Labour wing trying to get labour members supporting Corbyn kicked out of the party to affect the leadership election in their favour. It's in the article.
AGAIN. I used the example of hope not hate (funded by Labout, run by Diane Abbott) causing a hustings to be SHUT DOWN because they had a UKIP councillor there. If you've any evidence hes racist I want citation or you're still of shit.
That's labour funded protest group shutting down a hustings. That's election meddling.
Signs are a bit of a give away. Unknown people my arse.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kPwgiI8V4QY
Oh dear, the things you'll ignore for your ideology.
Its not meddling when you protest an opposition candidate any more than when you oppose a sitting Tory Prime Minister. What a frankly ridiculous comparison. On the other hand bending your own party's rules when it suits you and then crying about it when you break the actual rules and they are properly upheld isn't even vaguely similar. And the Ukip candidate was a she, not a he. Nobody is ignoring anything for ideology except you. You are comparing apples and pears and getting yourself into a fluster over nothing.
Wow, again: It's not protesting- the Husting was closed down because hope not hate was recognised as a violent threat. Its clearly stated in the video of the event by the police officers.
A hustings is where the collective council nominees from each party go to discuss policy so locals can see what they'll be voting for. Closing it down prevents this. It stifle the voices of those council members by a group that clearly favour: Labour.
Lol, we're actually both wrong: its "stand up to racism", not "hope not hate". My apologies.
The UKIP candidate wasn't a woman, if you're that concerned regarding gender, hey I'll throw in race too: he's a black man.
Both of these (the second somewhat superfluous dont you think?), you could have gotten from watching the video.
Btw, you've still yet to provide evidence of how he is a racist. Citation please ;)
The protest was against Anne Marie Waters.
This is all rather a mess, isn't it.
I've looked this up, I suggest you do the same.
The protest which led to the suspension of the hustings in Lewisham East on 12th June 2018 was against Anne Marie Waters, standing for For Britain. All the newspaper reports I have just read confirm this. The UKIP candidate was David Kurten.
The Labour Party certainly had no official involvement in this protest, indeed they stated "This has nothing whatsoever to do with the official Labour campaign.” (https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/politics/news/95937/excl-police-shut-down-election-hustings-amid-angry-protest-against-anne)
Labour's candidate, Janet Daby, declined to attend the hustings, also in protest against Anne Marie Waters. David Kurten Seems to have believed, or claimed, it was in protest against him (“I would challenge her to name one policy or statement I have made which is ‘far-right’...") but this is contradicted by what Daby and the Labour Party had said before this. Typical arrogant kippers, think everything is about them.
The protest which caused the hustings to be shut down was by Racism. I cannot find any evidence that Stand up to Racism are funded by the Labour party, so unless you have any, this whole incident is rather irrelevant to the Alastair Campbell issue. It's not clear why you're blaming Labour.
Janet Daby went on to win the seat with 11,000 votes. Kurten got around 300, and Waters got 200. I really don't think the closure of the hustings had much effect, do you?
In terms of whether Campbell should have been thrown out of the Labour Party: I mean, this is a rule; it has been used to expel other people from Labour within the last few months; The Conservatives just booted out Michael Heseltine for the same thing; pretty clearly the point of being in a party is that you support that party and don't campaign against it; I can't really tell what Campbell is complaining about.
Besides which, the protest didn't close the hustings, it was the police. Stand Up to Racism were simply conducting a lawful protest on the Queen's public highway which they are entitled to do (as we can tell by the fact that the police closed the hustings rather than arresting them all).
Mind you, from the pictures it looks like there were considerably more people involved in the protest than trying to attend the hustings.
And as to whether Anne Marie Waters is racist: she wants to "stop all Muslim immigration now", reduce the Muslim Birthrate, she thinks Islam is a "killing machine". Any of those qualify if you ask me.
She's also profoundly mental, she thinks that the EU have agreed to "turn Europe into an Arabian Islamist continent" in exchange for trade.
Quotes taken from: https://www.itv.com/news/update/2017-11-07/ex-ukip-leadership-candidates-extreme-views-revealed/
Oh dear, I did provide a video of this but lets go over your points: Anne Marie Waters wasnt there. Shes not in the video, she was not present. Indeed the protesters are actually chanting: UKIP Scum. If you've any evidence she was there please provide it, I'm happy to go on a live recording but hey. Lol.
I already stated: yes, the police closed the hustings down because Stand Up To Racism might have turned violent. This is iterated, again, in the live recording by the gent hosting the event and the policeman.
I'm happy to go over labour links with the group, however do you agree: a) Waters wasnt present a d B) Stand Up to racism got the event closed down by intimidation?
Wow, so despite the video evidence I provided of the mob chanting UKIP Scum iff our streets and the fact that Waters is clearly not there... you've gone all Jonestown. Ok Unknown, whatever floats your boat.
LOL, you text: "Typical arrogant kippers thinking it's all about them."
In the video the protesters are CLEARLY screaming: "UKIP Scum, Off Our Streets!"
That is some cognitive dissonance there on your part.
I think it might help if you consulted some other source in addition to your video.
https://www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/police-shut-down-lewisham-east-by-election-hustings-as-angry-protesters-clash-outside/
See!
Naturally, heres a video Miss Walter's made herself explaining why she didnt go to the Lewisham Hustings.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AlXBiapGFiE
It's not looking good for you is it? Lol.
Lol, she wasnt there, which I've stated all along and despite video evidence and the video Waters posted herself you still refuse to believe it. She didnt turn up because the protesters were to violent as you can quiet clearly tell from when they were protesting the UKIP candidate, let alone how they would have responded if shed actually arrived.
So you think it's ok to use violence to intimidate people for their political beliefs (like they did for the UKIP councillor as well)? You're aware that historical that's only ever led to fascism aren't?
Hey man, that's cool. If you think it's ok to be violent toward someone because of their political beliefs I'm sure that'll create a delightful culture to live in. I mean Corbyns been a massive advocate for totalitarian regimes *cough* Cuba *cough*. I'm sure you're absolutely fine with deplatforming him through violence as well, y'know, it's only fair that way. Just look at Cubas human rights violations, it's like a laundry list of hate.
Man, what an idiot you are. Honestly you need to he brought out into the light of day and have your political views scrutinised for all to see. If you've got nothing but violence and milkshake (an assumption on my part but honestly I bet you've thought it was justified didnt you) you clearly have NOTHING to offer. Dotard.
Man, I hope the rest of the UK population doesnt catch on that you guys are ok with punching up and threatening people for their political views.
Obviously I'm in favour of debating peacefully face to face. You might want to consider that. Commies arent exactly known for their sturdy jawline...
She didn't turn up because of the protest designed to stop her speaking. I'm struggling to take you seriously if you can't join such obvious dots. And I'm not supporting use of violence I am pointing out why a) this protest is irrelevant to the point made in the article and b) the protest was against a specific person. You are going off on a tangent I'm afraid.
Oh you're a nutcase. Got it!
Heh heh.
> "She didnt turn up because the protesters were to [sic] violent"
She didn't go because the police advised her not to go because of the protest about her.
David Kurten went. The police didn't advise David Kurten not to go. Are you proposing that they were quite happy for him to go despite a protest you (and he) think was about him, but they randomly told someone else not to go?
Every single newpaper article, from the press of left right and centre, and every single statement from involved political parties or indeed the police, states that this protest was directed at Anne Marie Waters. Other than the sound of David Kurten's ego, obvs.
Given that she didn't go, I'm guessing the people there waiting for her collectively thought, hmmm, what are we gonna do, just stand around humming the Internationale all evening? Oh hey look there's that other guy we don't like... Let's throw some words at him, because unlike sticks and stones they can't really hurt him, and we all feel strongly on this issue but we're not really interested in violence.
Speaking of violence. Tell me again how many people were arrested? I can tell you if you like, the answer is none. No arrests were made. Even though the police felt they needed to shut down a democratic process, they didn't even feel there were grounds to arrest, let alone charge, let alone convict, anyone for committing an offence. They usually don't hold back, even the recent environmental protests which had full public support and positive documentaries running on the BBC, still had arrests. This one, no arrests. Therefore we can all clearly see that this one was a perfectly lawful protest with no actual violence or threats of violence convincing enough to warrant arrest.
There were more people protesting against the hustings than trying to attend the hustings. The hustings didn't happen. Democracy's a bitch eh? About a hundred people tried to go. If every single one of them had gone, heard the totally cinvincing arguments of Kurten and Waters and decided to vote for one of them, they would still combined have got 5% of the votes that the Labour candidate did. Do you really think that made a significant difference? If anything, it benefitted your lot. Far more people have heard the whining from far-right snowflakes about the cancellation of the event than wanted to go to it.
> "I'm happy to go over labour links with the group,"
Go on then. Specifically in terms of what you originally claimed, that they were funded by Labour. I mean we could all make all sorts of outlandish claims about funding, couldn't we, like I could claim that the Brexit Party was funded by Putin via Arron Banks, but you would want to see some evidence, wouldn't you? So come on then.
Back to the core issue, by the way, what do you think about Alastair Campbell? Do you think he should have been kicked out of the Labour Party for encouraging people to vote against the Labour Party? If one of the MPs or MEPs of a Party you favour (I'm going to go ahead and suggest the Brexit Party) started telling the public to vote for the Greens, or the SNP, or Labour, or anyone but for God's sake not their own party, would you take kindly to that? Would you suggest that they should leave your party and go off and join whichever one they prefer?
And finally,
> "Commies arent exactly known for their sturdy jawline... "
Last time the EDL tried to do a march in Liverpool they didn't even make it out of the train station before turning round and running away. It was basically a knock-and-run.
And I'm willing to go Remainers vs Brexiteers any day of the week. What are you going to do, waggle your zimmer frames at us? All we have to do is offer you a scone and nice cup of tea and you'll forget all about it.
Even obstruction of the public highway is an arrestable offence. These apparently violent protesters were not even obstructing the public highway. Not a single one of them.
NO. Waters was advised not to go to the protest by the police due to the likelihood of violence they started protesting Kurten. I always maintained she wasnt there, it's been hilarious watching you scrabble around these details because you couldn't be bothered to watch the video I posted.
Again: they literally screamed UKIP scum off our streets repeatedly. You dont think that's a protest? Christ, that's the third time I've typed that and you've avoided mentioning ut. Cant think why, lol.
Glad to see you've accepted violence as part of the political dialogue there spud. I'm sure itll pan out fine. You're in les mis mate.
If the protesters weren't violent, why did the police shut down the Hustings?
Nope, it's a labour supported protest group shutting down a hustings with intimidation. AGAIN, Thomas used an example of the new labour wing of the party trying to influence the leadership elections. It's in the first and second paragraph of the article. I'm drawing comparison to it because obviously, the very left leaning, momentum side of labour whom Thomas supports is clearly fine with shutting down debate violently in their favour. You've repeatedly ignored my comparison of Thomas own very clear example because it doesnt fit in with your own narrative. You also couldn't be bothered to see if Waters was even at the event and ignored the UKIP candidate being protested because, again, it interrupts your narrative. You're basically a shill for political violence. I've never taken you seriously, your arguments are a joke. Best of luck with your future endevours x x
Do you agree the UKIP councilor was protested against?
"NO. Waters was advised not to go to the protest by the police due to the likelihood of violence they started protesting Kurten."
Waters was advised not to go, because of a protest against someone else? And Kurten wasn't advised not to go, despite a protest about him? That's a fucking bizarre argument, you're scrabbling now.
"Again: they literally screamed UKIP scum off our streets repeatedly. You dont think that's a protest? Christ, that's the third time I've typed that and you've avoided mentioning ut. Cant think why, lol."
Nope, I answered it in the post at 2.45. It's just that you seem not to be able to read, only watch videos.
I'll paste it again here though in case you also struggle with scrolling: "Given that she didn't go, I'm guessing the people there waiting for her collectively thought, hmmm, what are we gonna do, just stand around humming the Internationale all evening? Oh hey look there's that other guy we don't like... Let's throw some words at him, because unlike sticks and stones they can't really hurt him, and we all feel strongly on this issue but we're not really interested in violence."
If you could read, then you would have noticed in every single newspaper report or statement from any of the involved parties other than Kurten states very clearly that the protest was organised about Waters.
"Do you agree the UKIP councilor was protested against?"
Yes, but that's not the same as the protest being about him. Here are some pictures of protests: https://www.google.com/search?q=protest&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjz98fs6MviAhUqRxUIHYhuAm4Q_AUIESgC&biw=971&bih=803&dpr=2 Using your skills of reading, you might be able to tell that in all of these protests, there are multiple different points being made. Anyway, why am I trying to explain basic concepts to you, you're clearly trolling.
"If the protesters weren't violent, why did the police shut down the Hustings?
Well presumably to give UKIP something to whine about. If the protesters were violent, why didn't the police arrest any of them?
"it's a labour supported protest group"
So that evidence of Labour's funding you promised...? Or admit you're full of shit.
"the very left leaning, momentum side of labour whom Thomas supports is clearly fine with shutting down debate violently"
Except that there was no violence and it had nothing to do with Labour.
"Glad to see you've accepted violence as part of the political dialogue"
This coming from Mr. "Commies arent exactly known for their sturdy jawline..." Typical fascist snowflake, all big with the threats of violence themselves but piss themselves and run away crying when anyone stands up to them. I love it whenever you guys come to Liverpool, it's hilarious watching you get humiliated. Next time is going to be great. Sooooooo much milkshake. It's not violence. It's comedy.
Just Google the groups name and then Labour and you've got all the councillors who are members. Not to mention the various MPs who've organised events with them, Abott and Lammy for instance.
Lol, nice to see you've admited they were protesting the UKIP guy despite denying it for three days. It only took endless repetition of video evidence. Lol.
Omg: to give UKIP something to whine about? LOL. AH HA HA HA! Cant even admit the protesters were getting violent so you make up THAT line. You're hilarious. Honestly if we met in person we'd probably get on like a house on fire.
Hey man, if you threw a milkshake at me I'd wear it with pride. Just goes to show you've nothing to offer. I wouldn't even smack you back x x
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3kMEoAc0aME
Man I hope Carl of Swindon keeps doing these events, its bringing all you crazies out of the woodwork. I can see it now:
Carl arrives in Liverpool.
Tom launches a butterscotch milkshake at him. Carl takes it, stands there and says: anything else?
Tom: "its comedy!"
Carl: uh huh.
The debate then proceeds as planned by the adults. Tom is escorted away and tells all his mates he just bashed the fash. Posts a couple of tweets about it, takes a pic of said milkshake on the floor, gets his likes. No one else remembers who he is. Carl gets more publicity, Tom still thinks hes EDL.
Tom. I like you mate. You make the internet interesting. I'm not even taking the piss.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MnUyI8DD8Pg
Or you could go in like this mate. I reckon it's a game changer. You could stop him in his tracks Tom! You'll be a hero!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tCd5zBXUUN8
They got Gavin Tom! Look at that! Hes just a out ready to leave the public eye because of one mans heroic... oh, no, wait: hes calmly carrying on. Wearing that milkshake with pride.
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