Tuesday 9 June 2020

Priti Patel doesn't even know how the law works!


It's widely accepted that Priti Patel is one of the least intelligent members of the least talented government this country has ever suffered, but once again she's made an absolute fool of herself.

You'll probably already be familiar with some of her other blunders, like claiming that applying the death penalty to innocent people would serve as a deterrent, getting caught working as an agent for another state embedded within the UK government, and being unable to read a six digit number off a piece of paper.

Her error this time is particularly sinister and disturbing because it highlights the fact that she has absolutely no understanding of the fundamental basics of how the criminal justice system functions in a liberal democracy.

Patel's latest blunder came about when she put political pressure on the Chief Constable of Avon and Somerset police to ensure criminal prosecution of the activists who took down the statue of Tory slave-trader Edward Colston over the weekend.

This is simply not how the law works, and this kind of political interference represents a dangerous step towards police state authoritarianism.

The way it's supposed to work is that the police conduct an investigation, and then pass their evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service.

The CPS then make a decision whether to bring the case to trial, based on considerations such as the likelihood of conviction, and whether a trial would actually be in the public interest.

The legitimate role of the government, and specifically the Home Secretary, is to propose new laws, and alterations of existing laws, which are obviously subject to parliamentary approval before they can be enacted.

A legitimate position for the Home Secretary to take would be to argue that the current laws prohibiting vandalism of public monuments are not strong enough, and to propose new legislation.

It's completely illegitimate for the Home Secretary to put pressure on the police or the CPS in order to demand prosecutions, because then any case that is brought, can obviously be perceived as politically motivated.

And once we slip into the territory of politically motivated prosecutions, we end up with political prisoners, meaning we're living in a police state.

Patel is obviously far to dim to understand any of this, but ever since the Stalinist Cummings Purge of  the 21 liberal-capitalist Tory MPs in September 2019, the Tory party is even more bereft of talent than it was before.

I'm obviously no huge fanboy for purged Tories like David Gauke, Ken Clarke, Rory Stewart, Justine Greening, Dominic Grieve, Philip Hammond ... but at least these individuals would have been somewhat more likely to actually understand a little bit about the history and structure of the legal system, and the critical importance of avoiding political interference in the application of justice.

The fact of the matter is that if the protesters who organised the statue removal are found, and prosecuted, they can easily demonstrate that the prosecution was politically motivated, thanks to Patel, and then portray themselves as political prisoners if they're convicted.

I'd actually expect black civil rights campaigners to be queuing up to face such a ludicrous prosecution, because the prospect of being jailed for opposing slavery, in a politically partisan trial, would obviously create a powerful martyrdom narrative and turn their predicament into an instant cause célèbre.

Furthermore, conviction at the behest of a right-wing government would make a powerful demonstration of the systemic racism that the Black Lives Matter protesters were protesting against in the first place!

So whichever way you look at it, Patel has screwed up.

If you're you're even remotely liberal, you'll be opposed to politically motivated prosecutions as a matter of principle.

And if you're of the authoritarian persuasion, and want to see the statue-removers punished, then Patel's politicisation of the process has made the prospect of a reasonable conviction all the more difficult than it already was!

As ludicrous as this situation is, it's also deeply concerning, because once again we're an absolute laughing stock of a country, with a profoundly unintelligent and disturbingly authoritarian Home Secretary who demonstrably doesn't give the slightest damn about how the law is supposed to work in liberal democracies.

Any reasonable person, of any political persuasion (other than rabid right-wing authoritarianism) must be left wondering how on earth we've sunk so low.



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51 comments:

Anonymous said...

She didn't say imprison them without a trial. She's putting pressure on them because there was no police presence when a mob pulled down a statue... which is illegal.

They were also filmed with no masks on, rolling the statue down the road.

Fucking idiot whoever wrote this tripe.

Sensibledave said...

I think you are wrong on this one Thomas. It is not. “Political” to suggest to the police that the actions of some individuals, that we all witnessed in their actions, should be investigated. Rather, I would say, to not see those actions as potentially criminal, is to take a political “position”?

Graham Marsden said...

Well, some anonymous troll thinks that the Police should have obviously waded in to arrest the people who pulled down a statue of a slave trader (something the people of Bristol have been calling for for years)

Obviously the Troll doesn't realise that that would be the quickest way to turn a peaceful demonstration into a riot as happened in London where the Police arrested someone who was sitting on a wall...!

Or, perhaps, Mr/ Mrs/ Mx A Troll *wants* peaceful demonstrations to turn into riots so the Police can go in mob handed as has happened repeatedly in America?

Sensibledave said...

Graham

Damaging public property is criminal behaviour. Upholding the law is the job of the police. I don’t want the police to decide what laws they will uphold and which they wont. If mob rule is perceived as acceptable then we end up with anarchy. Which may, or may not, be your preferred outcome?

Unknown said...

I'm not entirely sure that a crime has been committed. "Damage" can only occur to something that has value. Since everyone now agrees that the statue was unwanted, then all the perpetrators did was save the council a job. This could be the first case of someone being charged with criminal improvement.

Anonymous said...

Lol, I congratulate you on identifying my species Graham. I've had a hard time avoiding Christians and I thought online in a socialist blog post would do the trick. It's a fair cop.

Anyway; No, they should have dispersed the mob. Now more statues will be pulled down and you're clearly going to have counter protests which will cost far more damage and risk more people's lives.

The police allowed the rioters to run rampant in Minneapolis the first night (30 reported fires in one night, I believe and a building with a child in it set ablaze. Also a children's hospital...) and it has clearly escalated.

I mean, you don't want violence on the streets do you?

unbelievabletekkers said...

The cabinet might act dim but they know exactly what they're up to.

Anonymous said...

@Unknown

"I'm not entirely sure that a crime has been committed. "Damage" can only occur to something that has value. Since everyone now agrees that the statue was unwanted, then all the perpetrators did was save the council a job."

You have absolutely no evidence that it was unwanted by everyone. They tried to get it through the council for years and there was not enough political will.

I wonder if anyone's going to deface the Marx statue in London. That fella said a lot of racist things about Jews and Black People.

Anonymous said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFrX02KOa8c

Man walks up and takes away the signs around the Churchill statue, gets followed by crowd, police have to intervene... Thank God they were there that guy could have been hurt.

Graham...

Anonymous said...

"Or, perhaps, Mr/ Mrs/ Mx A Troll *wants* peaceful demonstrations to turn into riots so the Police can go in mob handed as has happened repeatedly in America?"

Do you think the EDL should have no police presence if they're just demonstrating Graham?

Palaeography on the rocks said...

Patel is unfit to hold office, what has she. ever done for equality or for social justice? A government which thinks a third rate tobacco lobbyist is fit to be Home Secretary is beneath contempt. Or it shares her desire to restore the death penalty and endorse the vulgar offensive comments of Mr Johnson.

Anonymous said...

Paleography on the etc.

Nobody cares bud.

Unknown said...

While you're at it, go make Paul McCartney rewrite and rename "Penny Lane" because slavery...

But who cares? They vandalized Marx anyway!

Anonymous said...

EDL like to see blacks and Muslims get attacked, not statues.

Anonymous said...

BLM and Antifa like to see anyone get attacked. Full stop.

Gulliver Foyle said...

This really isn't complicated, the decision to prosecute is in the hands of the CPS based on evidence usually gathered by the police. If we recall the recent brouhaha over DePfeffels chief Spad breaking clearly defined (at the time) lock down rules the Durham police stated that had they caught him in the act of taking his Wife on a birthday jolly to Barnard Castle they would have turned him back and if he refused he "might" have been prosecuted because the decision to prosecute is not in their hands alone. Had he been caught, and had he not complied with the police request to return, and if the police had not arrested him for not returning I wonder if the Home Secretary would have been urging his prosecution? I suspect we all know the answer.

I mean, potentially infecting loads of people with a deadly virus (that you believe your carrying) isn't as bad as pulling the statue of a slave trader and mass murderer down is it?

Anonymous said...

@Gulliver Foyle

You're comparing the Cummings incident to pulling down the statue because Cummings might have infected people at that castle?

a) ALL the protesters have probably infected people.
b) It's mob rule.
c) You've stated Cummings should have resigned/been prosecuted in past posts, but defend, again MOB RULE that is clearly a far worse offence on all levels, let alone the risk of infection.

You absolute thicko. I take it back, you're dumber then tankie.

MyNameIsChris said...

Remember, the USA got their independence via riots, not peaceful protest. Ireland got its independence through riots, not peaceful protest. The only way we can achieve any semblance of justice in this world is through violence. Why else do you think the Police carry offensive weapons but we can't? It's because they have a monopoly on violence, they can hit us, we can't hit back. Isn't it strange that when you DO hit back, things start to change?

Gulliver Foyle said...

@anonymous

It's really simple but I'm not surprised YOU don't understand. I'm positing the argument that had DeFeffel's SPAD been caught in the act of breaking lockdown rules by the police, but the police decided not to arrest him do you think we'd have had the same intervention from the Home Secretary?

There, I've tried to make it as simple as possible for you, if you still don't understand please ask a grown up for help.

Anonymous said...

This is my last post on this blog.

I've enjoyed trolling you all over the last few years(?) but my time here draws to a close. Basically interaction here has become repetitive and frankly, it's just cringy right now. I mean lets be honest, this is essentially an extremist blog (I know you're not going to see it that way but you're the minority in the UK politically if you talk to a variety of enough people) with an echo chamber of a comments section. I could go on about facebook and twitter algorithms creating the same problem but honestly I can't be bothered to pull out the Pew Research data (it's probably why it's quiet rare for your ideas to be challenged as well, which makes an actual challenge all the more intrusive. It's why I started on this blog tbh, lol).

That major issue of course is that most people here are ignorant of basic history and the context of human rights (there's far more but these are the mainstays). Similarly there's not really a debate here, you usually just respond to an opinion you disagree with by smearing the person as a Tory (which I'm not, though I doubt you'll believe this) rather then dealing with the question in point. We all know of course that if you're a Tory you're a paedophile supporting, far right gammon, etc. FYI responding to a flaw in a blog post with; "Yeah but Cummings/Johnson/Right Wingers... Doesn't deal with the criticism. I have of course been entirely guilty of doing the same but for Labour.

There is far more nuance to the political landscape then the closed minded left/right divide put here by Thomas. I suspect his intentions when he first created this blog were good, but as he's essentially now playing a persona he has to maintain the outrage in such a way to continue getting hits on his blog. Anyway, it doesn't matter.

I want to apologise now for the laundry list of insults, derogatory remarks and overall slander I've responded with as well. It wasn't born out of a sense of frustration or aggravation but honestly; I just thought it was funny. I'd justify it by thinking that it was people in these chat's who threw the first stone, which was usually the case, but really it's just childish. I think being an anonymous contributor to these chat's does that, we're all guilty of it but I'm gonna put my hands up and say I can be better then that.

I do not expect any love or kind words. This is pure narcissism on my part, I'm not even going to check for responses if there are any. I suspect any anger directed my way will be countered with mild relief that you no longer have to deal with me. Sufficed to say, it's been a lot of fun.

This country is going through hell now. It deeply saddens me and me taking pot shots at people here, who are actively egging it on to get worse, is going to do nothing. I hope none of you are subject to any form of violence because of the repercussions of the riots and protests but honestly, this is going to get unbelievably nasty as history has proven time and again. Look after yourselves.

Yours,
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I mean, why do we think that is. It's a complete mystery.

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Let's hope so.

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Trevor said...

@Anonymous

These are the exact words your home secretary said when asked a question about the rights of "unskilled" workers in the NHS to visa extensions as opposed to those earning more than £30,000 a year. By the way, "unskilled" means if they don't go to work, the hospitals would not be able to function, cleaners, catering staff, porters etc.

“Rob, thank you for your question, and again, as I’ve just said, already the work that we’re seeing across the NHS is just absolutely incredible, erm, and I’ve also just made the point as well that, you know, this is difficult in terms of, we’ve seen the complexities around immigration, but right across the immigration system through these unprecedented times and challenges we are supporting frontline health workers, social care workers, and obviously we are finding ways in which we can support other workers as well across the NHS. Our immigration system is incredibly complex and I have said that I am looking at various schemes. We keep everything under review. In fact, this point was made earlier this year with the Law Commission’s own report on immigration rules where our immigration system is complex. I want to simplify some of these rules, I really do, so we are now looking at what changes we can bring in, very much in the same way, as was announced yesterday, around the immigration health surcharge I am working across government with my colleagues to look at what we can do in this particular space.”

Would you like to translate this into English and explain to me exactly what the answer was about visa extensions for the "unskilled" workers? Was it a no or a yes?

Now, I don't know if you watch the BBC Parliament channel, however, you may notice the beginning of an obvious trait in this statement from the Home Secretary. It is the phrase "across government". Since this rambling statement she has constantly used that phrase blaming all Home Office problems on other departments of Government and she is totally absolved from all responsibility. It stinks rather like Theresa May reigning as Home Secretary and handing the noose to Amber Rudd to take the flak Mrs. May had created.

You may think of yourself as being a right minded person but, I can assure you, there are many wrong minded people running this country with excuses for any criminal behaviour they commit but are excused by the current Home Secretary.

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I'm here to testify about the great work Dr Iyoha did for me. I have been suffering from (HERPES) disease for the past 3 years and had constant pain, especially in my knees. During the first year,I had faith in God that i would be healed someday.This disease started circulating all over my body and i have been taking treatment from my doctor, few weeks ago i came across a testimony of someone on the internet testifying about a Man called Dr Iyoha on how he cured her from Herpes Simplex Virus. And she also gave the email address of this man and advise anybody to contact him for help for any kind of sickness that he would be of help, so I emailed him telling him about my (HERPES Virus) he told me not to worry that i was going to be cured!! Well i never believed it, well after all the procedures and remedy given to me by this man which i take for 3 week,few months later i started experiencing changes all over me as Dr Iyoha assured me that i will be cured,after some time i went to my doctor to confirmed if i have be finally healed behold it was TRUE, So friends my advise is if you have such sickness or any other at all you can contact Dr Iyoha via email driyohasolutiontemple@yahoo.com. You can also call his telephone number on +1 407 337 9869. Thanks once again Dr Iyoha ...

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Isabella Lucas said...

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He is also able to cast spell like 1: Lottery 2: Conceive 3: Breakup 4: Divorce 5: Cure for all kinds of diseases and viruses.

Unknown said...

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After 9 years in marriage with my hubby{TONY DWAYNE} with 3 kids, my husband{TONY DWAYNE} started going out with other ladies and showed me cold love, on several occasions he threatens to divorce me if I dare question him about his affair with other ladies, I was totally devastated and confused until a old friend of mine told me about a spell caster on the internet Dr. ikhide who help people with the relationship and marriage problem by the powers of love spells, at first I doubted if such thing ever exists but decided to give it a try, when I contact him, he helped me cast a spell and within 24hours my husband {TONY DWAYNE} came back to me and started apologizing, now he has stopped going out with ladies and he his with me for good and for real. Contact this great spell caster for your relationship or marriage problem at email: - dr.ikhide@gmail.com or whatsapp :- +2349058825081
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After 9 years in marriage with my hubby{TONY DWAYNE} with 3 kids, my husband{TONY DWAYNE} started going out with other ladies and showed me cold love, on several occasions he threatens to divorce me if I dare question him about his affair with other ladies, I was totally devastated and confused until a old friend of mine told me about a spell caster on the internet Dr. ikhide who help people with the relationship and marriage problem by the powers of love spells, at first I doubted if such thing ever exists but decided to give it a try, when I contact him, he helped me cast a spell and within 24hours my husband {TONY DWAYNE} came back to me and started apologizing, now he has stopped going out with ladies and he his with me for good and for real. Contact this great spell caster for your relationship or marriage problem at email: - dr.ikhide@gmail.com or whatsapp :- +2349058825081
so you can also be happy just like me and dont be ashamed contact this dr ikhide today and fix all your problems/issues here is the contact via email: - dr.ikhide@gmail.com or whatsapp :- +2349058825081

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Spell Home said...

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Anonymous said...


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