Saturday, 7 December 2019

The Tory challenge


The rule of this game is very simple. If you've been sent a link to this article, all you have to do is pick five of these fifty things from the Tory track record in government and explicitly defend them to the person who sent you the link. 

Tearing up the British constitution
Page 48 of the Tory manifesto promises all kinds of radical hard-right constitutional changes, most notably their pledges to tear up our human rights, and to radically restrict the power of the courts to hold the government to account. They dress it up in right-wing propaganda speak, but it's obvious that their proposals are intended to prevent the courts from ever intervening again to stop unlawful legislation like Johnson's prorogation of parliament, and to stop judicial reviews from checking that government projects are actually lawful,


A vote for the Tories is a vote for weak courts and an all powerful government


Longest fall in value of wages since records began

Under Tory rule British workers have suffered the longest sustained decline in the real value of their wages since records began. The fall is so bad that it's the joint worst wage collapse in the developed world with Greece. The difference of course is that Greece did that to their workers because they were forced to by the Troika, the Tories did that to British workers because they wanted to.

A vote for Tories is a vote for lower wages


Spectacularly missed economic targets
In 2010 the Tories promised to eliminate the deficit by 2015. In 2019 they're still nowhere near eliminating it. Over 9 years to do what they promised to do in under 5, and more new public debt created in the process than every single Labour government in history combined? If that's "strong economic management", I'd hate to see what Tories would classify as chaotic, debt-soaring ineptitude.

A vote for Tories is a vote for more economic incompetence

The austerity con

 The architecy of austerity extremism George Osborne's is gone, his mate David Cameron is gone, Theresa May is gone, but austerity isn't. Boris Johnson is still pushing austerity, whilst pretending that he isn't, because the evidence is now absolutely clear that austerity is a con job that only ever succeeded in transferring wealth from the majority to the super rich minority at the expense of the real economy.

A vote for Tories is a vote for the continuation of the Tory austerity con


Broken Robot politics
In 2017 Theresa May kept repeating the phrase "strong and stable leadership" like a broken robot until it became a standing joke, now Boris Johnson is doing the same thing with "Get Brexit Done", which is even more absurd, because Brexit will drag on for years and years if his lazy and incompetent rehash of Theresa May's shambles of a deal gets passed.

A vote for Tories is a vote for condescending wankers who won't stop repeating themselves


The productivity crisis
The UK has been suffering an extreme crisis in relative productivity. The UK lags 35% behind Germany and 30% behind the US. This means that the average UK worker has to work an hour to achieve the same economic output as a German can manage in 39 minutes. The problem is getting worse and worse, and it's easy to understand why. Unhappy and exploited workers don't work as hard as those who feel valued and well paid. Well educated workers are more effective workers than those who have suffered a poor education system. If the UK wants to resolve the productivity crisis it needs to improve wages and working conditions and invest in the education system. The Tories have been doing the polar opposite of that for nine devastating years.

A vote for Tories is a vote against resolving the productivity crisis


Systematic abuse of disabled people
The amount of appalling schemes and degrading assessment regimes disabled people have to go through under this Tory government is absolutely shocking. There's so much of it I've written a full article detailing over a dozen of the worst things.

A vote for Tories is a vote for the continued abuse of disabled people


Legal Aid cuts
Legal Aid was introduced in 1949 by Clement Attlee's Labour government. It serves to prevent the justice system just serving as a plaything of the rich. The point of it is to ensure equal justice and the right to a fair trial. Since 2010 the Tories have mercilessly slashed the Legal Aid budget creating a two-tier justice system where justice is available to those who can afford it, but out of the reach of the poorest and most vulnerable in society (especially in Legal Advice blackspots like the South West, the Midlands and the North). Legal experts are up in arms about these divisive and unfair cuts, but Johnson simply doesn't seem to care.

A vote for Tories is a vote for a two-tier justice system

Huge rise in child poverty

Since 2010 the number of children growing up in poverty has risen by 400,000. The latest research shows that if the Tories win then child poverty would soar to 34% by 2023-24, the highest rate in 60 years.

A vote for Tories is a vote for child poverty


Cowardice
Boris Johnson is a coward. He's evaded public scrutiny as much as possible during the election. He dodged the Climate Change debate, he dodged the Sky leaders interview, he dodged the Andrew Neil interview, he's dodged facing Piers Morgan on GMB, he's hidden himself away in Tory "safe spaces" where the public can't get near him, and he's even dodged husting in his local constituency. How anyone imagines a coward like that will be able to stand up to the US, the EU, Russia, and China on the world stage is anybody's guess.

A vote for Tories is a vote for a coward of a Prime Minister


Railway chaos
As a result of the shambolic Tory privatisation of the railways the UK has the most expensivemost over-crowded and least reliable rail service of any comparable developed European nation. What's more is that the profiteering private companies who operate the services take more in government subsidies than it cost to run the entire system under British Rail!

A vote for Tories is a vote for crap, over-priced and over-crowded rail services


Corporations paying less tax than their employees
Since 2010 the Tories have reduced the rate of corporation tax paid by the biggest multinationals from 28% to just 19%, where Johnson claims he's going to leave it. This is the lowest in the G7, and means that major corporations end up paying lower effective tax rates than many of their employees.

A vote for Tories is a vote for very low rates of corporation tax


Most unaffordable homes ever
After coming to power in 2010 the Conservatives oversaw the lowest levels of housebuilding since the 1920s. When Theresa May was Home Secretary she increased demand on the nation's housing stock by overseeing the biggest surges of net migration in UK history. This combination of weak supply, very high demand and collapsing wages has pushed house prices to their most unaffordable level ever.

A vote for Tories is a vote for unaffordable housing


NHS recruitment crisis
One of Theresa May's first acts as Prime Minister was to scrap NHS bursaries, which caused an astonishing 10,000 decline in applications for nursing courses. Add into the mix the fact that NHS staff from EU countries are quitting the NHS in record numbers and there's a massive NHS recruitment crisis on the cards. Boris Johnson's made up numbers and uncosted pledges are nowhere near enough to even make up the damage of the last 3 years, let alone the last 9.

A vote for Tories is a vote for a massive NHS staff shortage


Contempt for private sector tenants
In 2016 Tory MPs (1/3 of whom are landlords) voted down an opposition amendment to their housing bill that would have required landlords to ensure that rented accommodation is "fit for human habitation".

A vote for Tories is a vote for slumlords renting shit houses to people with nowhere else to turn

Biggest education funding cuts in decades
The Tories are planning the biggest education funding cuts in decades. Follow this link to find out how much they're planning to slash from the budget of your local school.

A vote for Tories is a vote for underfunded schools


The school privatisation agenda
An awful lot of people don't seem to have even noticed that the Tories have been privatising thousands of state owned schools, property and all, for free, into the hands of private sector pseudo-charities, many of which are owned by major Tory party donors (like Philip "Carpetright" Harris, Alan Lewis and John Nash). Read this article about the scandalous Perry Beeches academy chain to get an idea of the seriousness of this Tory vandalism of our education system.

A vote for Tories is a vote for unaccountable profiteers running the English education system

Rip-off tuition fees

With the assistance of their lying Lib-Dem sidekicks the Tories introduced £9,000 per year tuition fees for university students, meaning English students now face the highest fees in the world for study at public universities. The fees are so high that 2/3 of graduates will never be able to pay off their student debts, despite paying a 9% aspiration tax on their disposable incomes for their entire working lives.

A vote for Tories is a vote for lifetimes of unpayable student debt for millions of graduates

Huge rise in Food bank dependency

The Tories have seen a huge rise in food bank dependency since 2010. Over a million food parcels were handed out by the Trussell Trust last year, and they're just one of the food bank organisations. New research has shown that areas that have suffered the rollout of the Tories' hopelessly botched Universal Credit scheme have significantly higher rates of food bank dependency than areas where it hasn't been rolled out yet.

A vote for Tories is a vote for food poverty


Dictators and despots
Boris Johnson and the Tories love sucking up to dictators and despots like the vile misogynistic, homophobic, head-chopping, democracy-repressing, journalist dismembering, terrorism-spreading Islamist tyrants in Saudi Arabia, whilst implying Corbyn is the terrorism sympathiser!

A vote for Tories is a vote for closer relations with dictators and despots


The Hinkley Point C scandal
The Hinkley Point C deal is one of the most scandalous affairs in UK political history. The Tories have agreed to bribe the French and Chinese into building us a nuclear power station by promising to use taxpayers' cash to pay them double the market rate for electricity for 35 years, then cover the cleanup cost at the taxpayers' expense too. The reason we have to bribe foreign governments into building our nuclear infrastructure for us is that the Tories privatised the UK's nuclear expertise in the 1990s, and the private company was then allowed to be purchased by the French government.

A vote for Tories is a vote for the most expensive rip-off deal the UK has ever signed up to


Unqualified teachers
In 2010 the Tories changed the rules and scrapped the requirement that teachers actually be qualified to do the job. Since then the education system has been flooded with ever more unqualified teachers, rising to 22,500 by 2015. It's worth remembering that the education secretary who brought in the policy of flooding our schools with unqualified teachers was Michael Gove, you know, the guy who claimed that the UK has "had enough of experts" during the EU referendum campaign.

A vote for Tories is a vote for even more unqualified teachers in our schools


Unprecedented lying
Boris Johnson is such an egregious liar he makes David Cameron look trustworthy, and that guy couldn't even remember what football team he was pretending to support! Johnson's lies are so numerous it's impossible to keep track of all of them.A vote for Tories is a vote for the most dishonest Prime Minister this nation has ever had

PFI
One of the worst things about New Labour was their reliance upon rip-off PFI economic alchemy scams designed to bribe private companies into building public infrastructure. The Treasury Select Committee found that PFI is "an extremely inefficient method of funding [public infrastructure] projects" yet the Tories have carried on using them, and are currently looking for hedge funds to sign up to another £10 billion worth of PFI deals. Jeremy Corbyn has pledged to scrap PFI.

A vote for Tories is a vote for even more rip-off PFI economic alchemy schemes


Secret courts
In 2013 the Tories (in coalition with the so-called Liberal Democrats) introduced a new law to create secret courts in which a person can have their fate decided in a courtroom they are not allowed to enter, on charges they are not allowed to know, based on evidence they are not allowed to see. In secret courts even the person's lawyer is barred from entering the courtroom or seeing the evidence. These shocking secrecy rules don't just apply to criminal courts or terrorism related offences, they can be used in civil cases too! 


A vote for Tories is a vote in favour of contempt for the concept of open justice

Privatisation
Since coming to power in 2010 the Tories have been privatising public assets at a faster rate than any government in UK history (even Thatcher). Many of their privatisation scams have been completely senseless and resulted in vast rip-offs for the British public; they sold Royal Mail off at over £1 billion below its real market value; they sold off the publicly owned banks at massive losses to the taxpayer; they've carved up and given away £billions worth of NHS services
they gave away thousands of publicly owned school properties, for free, to unaccountable private pseudo-charitiesthey've sold off the student loan books at a loss; and they sold off the UK government's stake in Eurostar for a tiny fraction of what it cost us to set it up.

A vote for Tories is a vote for more rip-off Tory privatisation scams


Foreign ownership of British rail franchises
One of the most ridiculous things about the Tory privatisation ideology is that the only country that is barred from bidding for UK rail franchises is ... err ... the UK! Vast swathes of our rail system are now operated by foreign governments like Germany, France, the Netherlands, Singapore and Hong Kong. These foreign governments then extract their taxpayer-subsidised profits back to their own countries to be used to improve their own rail systems. The Netherlands state rail operator Abellio now operates so many train services here that their UK network is two and a half times the size of the entire Netherlands state railway!

A vote for Tories is a vote for UK taxpayers and rail passengers subsidising foreign rail networks


Deceptive campaigning
This has been the most deceptive and manipulative election campaign ever, with all kinds of outrageous Tory scams. A fake Labour party manifesto, turning their Twitter account into a fake "fact-checking" service, endless fake Tory propaganda like fake "new hospitals" and fake "new nurses" to put in them, and of course the tides of fake 'independent' Facebook pages using sponsored ads to inject Tory propaganda into people's news feeds. The idea that any of this could be stopped by electing the party that's doing it is laughable.

A vote for Tories is a vote for ever more election fakery


Social care crisis

The Tories have slashed £4.6 billion from the social care budget at a time of rising demand due to the UK's ageing population demographics. This social care funding crisis has coincided with the biggest increase in the death rate since the 1960s, and is putting an immense amount of pressure on already overstretched NHS services and unpaid carers. Boris Johnson promised a solution to the social care crisis, then didn't even bother to include the issue in his manifesto.

A vote for Tories is a vote a social care system in crisis


Scrapped NHS waiting time targets
Over the winter of 2016-17 it became clear that the underfunded overstretched NHS was incapable of meeting the 4 hour waiting time target at A&E departments. Instead of reversing their cuts and stopping their programme of hospital closures, the Tories simply scrapped the waiting time target! If the target can't be delivered then don't change your policy, scrap the target - that's the Tory approach to problem-solving!


A vote for Tories is a vote for longer hospital waits

Defunding of local government
The Tories have slashed local government budgets so harshly that the leader of David Cameron's own Tory council famously wrote to him to plead for him to stop. What's most disgusting about this assault on local government budgets is that the most savage local government cuts have been focused on the poorest areas, while some leafy Tory councils actually got increases in their budgets.

A vote for Tories is a vote for even more ruination of local government services

Tax-dodgers winning government contracts
The Tories have brought giant outsourcing corporations in to do all kinds of government functions. Huge numbers of these corporate leeches are now having their contracts renewed automatically with no cost-benefit analysis and no competitive tendering process. The Labour Party have proposed a new law to ban outsourcing companies from receiving government contracts if they're based in tax havens. The Tories are quite happy to continue using taxpayers' cash to pay tax-dodging corporate outsourcing companies to do the work the government should be doing itself.

A vote for Tories is a vote for tax-dodging corporate outsourcing parasitism

Filibustering
Filibustering is an incredibly cynical strategy politicians use to block proposed legislation by talking and talking until the debate runs out of time. Some of the proposed laws that have been derailed by Tory MPs deliberately blabbering on for hours to run the clock down include first aid lessons for school children, free hospital parking for carers, cheaper off-patent drugs for the NHS, and a bill to prevent revenge evictions by landlords who have been asked to maintain their properties. Several of these bills had cross-party support, but were deliberately wrecked by a handful of hard-right Tories like Philip Davies, Andrew Rosindell, Sam Gyimah, Alistair Burt and Cristopher Chope.

A vote for Tories is a vote for Tory debate wrecking tactics

Fire service cuts
Between 2010 and 2015 the Tories slashed 30% off the fire service budget resulting in the loss of 10,000 firefighter jobs and the closure of 39 fire stations. Between 2015 and 2020 they intend to slash another 20%. 2017-18 saw the highest number of fire-related deaths since 2010-11.

A vote for Tories is a vote for more people dying in house fires

 
Prisons chaos
Violence, riots, widespread drug use, escapes, chronic understaffing and soaring suicide rates. The UK prison system is in chaos. One of the worst prisons of all is HMP Northumberland that was privatised by the Tories in 2014. It's supposed to be a training prison to give prisoners jobs skills so they're less likely to return to crime. At HMP Northumberland a private contractor Novus was giving prisoners pictures of Peppa Pig to colour in as their employability training, all at the taxpayers' expense of course.

A vote for Tories is a vote for absolute chaos in our prisons


Attacks on workers' rights
In 2013 the Tory led government introduced £1,200 fees in order for employees to seek unfair dismissal compensation from their employers. So now if your boss sacks you unfairly (for your age, sex, sexual orientation, pregnancy, political orientation, trade union activities, or refusal to suck his cock) you have to find over a grand in order to go to an employment tribunal. The Tory presumption of course being that your boss is a great guy and all of his employees are worthless scum, and the fewer people who take him to tribunal the better. This outrageous scam was ruled unlawful in 2017, however any political party that introduces such outrageous and unjust legislation obviously can't be trusted with workers' rights.

A vote for Tories is a vote for economic barriers to the justice system

Police cuts
Since 2010 the Tories have axed 21,000+ police jobs, and the impact of these police cuts can't be hidden off the violent crime statistics, which have been soaring for years. Johnson now promises to replace almost as many as they slashed, but loads of questions remain. With 600 fewer police stations closed down since 2010, where would they work. Why slash experienced officers and replace them with green recruits, and why has no attention been paid to the large UK population rise since 2010?

A vote for Tories is a vote for fewer police on our streets and more violent crime


Flood defence spending
Of all of the Tory cuts their decision to slash the flood defence spending budget is one of the most stupid. For each £1 spent on flood defence spending the nation saves £8 in avoided damage and disruption. Several of the areas that had their flood defence schemes cancelled in 2010-11 ended up suffering severe flooding. As a departing gift after resigning in disgrace David Cameron handed a DBE to Caroline Spelman who was the Tory politician who oversaw this ideologically driven lunacy!

A vote for Tories is a vote for more damaging floods


Adult education
Adult education colleges had their budgets slashed by 24% between 2010 and 2015. The vocational training budget was slashed even more, by 40%. Over a million adult learning places have disappeared since 2010. It's beyond obvious that re-educating adult workers is absolutely vital in the modern era where the concept of jobs for life has been all but eradicated. Any government intent on developing a modern high-tech economy would invest in adult education in order to provide workers with the skills retraining they need to move between jobs. The Tories have been doing the exact opposite.

A vote for Tories is a vote for an inflexible low-skill economy 


Forced closure of NHS services
During the 2010 General Election the Tories promised to stop the forced closure of NHS services. In 2012 the Tory government attempted to force the closure of Lewisham Hospital in South London. In 2014 the Tories introduced new legislation to make it much easier for them to force the closure of NHS services and facilities. Since 2015 the Tories have been working on a secret plan to shut down dozens of A&E departments, maternity wards, walk in centres and mental health facilities up and down the country.

A vote for Tories is a vote for the forced closure of even more NHS services

Sweetheart tax deals
One of the sickest things about the Tory government is the way they allowed HMRC to draw up sweetheart tax deals with massive corporations like Google, Starbucks and Vodafone. Why should Google get to negotiate a 3% tax deal when ordinary working people have to pay what they actually owe?

A vote for Tories is a vote for more sweetheart tax deals with multinational corporations


Armed services cuts
Between 2010 and 2015 the Tories slashed over 33,000 jobs in the armed services. The army has been pared back to its smallest size since the Napoleonic War! Meanwhile the Tories have been blasting money like it's going out of fashion on aircraft carriers with no aircraft, paying 40 Admirals and 260 Captains when we've only got 19 warships, and the 205 billion renewal of Britain's privatised supply of weapons of mass destruction.

A vote for Tories is a vote for weaker and less capable defence

The Snoopers' Charter
Theresa May's Snoopers' Charter is the most extreme state surveillance law ever introduced in a developed nation. It allows over 20,000 government employees to trawl through the private communication data of innocent people (including loads of non-terrorism related organisations like the Food Standards Agency, the Health and Safety Executive and the Gambling Commission). It also allows the state to tell lies in court in order to secure convictions.

A vote for Tories is a vote for extreme surveillance and an end to the concept of privacy


In-Work benefit cuts
The majority of people receiving non-pension benefits in Tory Britain are the working poor, not the unemployed. When the Tories slash things like housing benefit and tax credits, what they're actually doing is further impoverishing the working poor. Incredibly they have repeatedly introduced new welfare cuts to make working families poorer whilst simultaneously spouting the Orwellian propaganda that they're "making work pay" as they do it!

A vote for Tories is a vote to further impoverish the working poor

The trade deficit
The UK is suffering a massive problem with trade deficits. This means the UK imports far more than it exports. The problem has been going on for a long time, but since 2010 the problem has been getting a lot worse, with the record being smashed over and again. In the month of the Brexit referendum the trade deficit in goods swelled to an astonishing £12.5 billion, the highest ever recorded. The UK's terrible balance of payments deficit is offset a bit by financial services export and vehicle exports, but a Tory hard Brexit would throw a massive spanner in the works, especially if they go for the "no deal" cliff edge that Johnson's Brexit bodge keeps alive.

A vote for the Tories is a vote for massive trade deficits


Contempt for human rights
Boris Johnson and his cabinet of ghouls have a burning contempt for your human rights.Their manifesto pledges to scrap our human rights and replace them with a set of Tory allowances, which would mean we join Belarus as the only European nation that doesn't adhere to the human rights legislation that was bestowed on Europe by the British Prime Ministers Winston Churchill and Clement Attlee.

A vote for Tories is a vote to scrap your own human rights

Mental health funding cuts
The Tories love talking up how much they care about mental health conditions, but their actual track record is disgraceful. Between 2010 and 2015 they slashed £600 million from mental health services. They're still slashing away now. In fact they even advised the corporate outsourcing companies carrying out their disability assessments to actively discriminate against disabled people.

A vote for Tories is a vote for mental health neglect

Taxpayer subsidised malice
One of the worst things about the Tory government is the fact that several of their malicious anti-welfare schemes actually cost more to administer in corporate outsourcing fees than they will ever save in reduced benefits payments. The Work Capacity Assessment regime for sick and disabled people and their draconian sanctions system are both examples of socially ruinous schemes that actually cost the taxpayer hundreds of millions of pounds to operate.

A vote for Tories is a vote for more money to be wasted on malicious Tory anti-welfare schemes

Rising inequality

While UK workers suffered the worst collapse in the value of their wages on record the tiny super rich minority literally doubled their wealth. There is an abundance of evidence showing that the more unequal a society is the less economically prosperous it is, and the unhappier the people are. Take from the poor to give to the rich, that's always been the Tory agenda. The worst thing is that these malicious reverse Robin Hoods even had the gall to tell us "we're all in this together" as they were deliberately rigging society even more in favour of the tiny super-rich minority than it already was!

A vote for Tories is a vote for an even more unequal Britain


Threat of no deal Brexit
Johnson keeps on banging on about "Get Brexit Done", but agreeing the Withdrawal Agreement is only step one. The next step is the wrangling over the future trade arrangement. Johnson reckons he can get this done within a year, which is laughable (most trade deals take around 7 years to negotiate). If Britain doesn't have a deal sorted by the end of 2020, Johnson is threatening to crash out with no deal, which would be an economic disaster for Britain.

A vote for Tories is a vote for the threat of an even bigger economic meltdown than the last one



A reminder of the rule

The rule of this game is very simple. If you've been sent a link to this article, all you have to do is pick five of these fifty things from the Tory track record in government and explicitly defend them to the person who sent you the link.


Explicit

Now I'm going to define what I mean when I use the word "explicitly" so that there is no confusion:

  • If you mention Jeremy Corbyn, Labour, or any other political party or figure you're engaging in whataboutery deflection. 
  • If you fail to address the actual issue you claim to be defending, you're being misleading and evasive. 
  • If you attack certain sectors of society (the unemployed, the working poor, young people, migrants, left-wingers, trade unionists, Muslims ...) you're playing the classic Tory divide and conquer games that they use to keep the majority of people fighting amongst themselves rather than fighting back against their appalling misrule.
If you use any of these fallacious arguments you obviously fail the challenge


Running away

If you refuse to engage with the challenge you obviously fail too, and demonstrate beyond doubt that you have the same cowardly run-away attitude to scrutiny as both Theresa May and Boris Johnson. 


If you run away from the challenge then you'd just be showing the person who challenged you that you imagine that you can just make difficult subjects go away by evading them and refusing to engage in open and honest political discourse. 

If you run away from the challenge then you'd actually be demonstrating exactly why politics in the UK is such a bloody mess. 

You'd be showing that you're one of the people who wilfully ignore so much malice, incompetence and right-wing authoritarian scheming simply because you think it's all outweighed by whatever (probably imaginary) personal benefit you'll be getting from a Tory government, and that you're simply too much of a coward to even explain yourself.

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The Moon said...

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Anonymous said...

Thomas is spot on as usual, why do the Tories continue to massively raise the rates of immigration, does anyone know? They're literally ten time's higher then ten years ago? What do they gain from this?

Antitoria said...

I can't imagine there will be too many takers for the challenge. It's sad to think how much damage has been done. Sadder is the fact that next Thursday millions will still vote for the Conservative Party. Many people don't know about these issues. And the MSM and the BBC aren't going to highlight any of them. The Conservative's reaction would just be plain denial. The Conservatives are hungry for power. They want the benefits that will flow to the already wealthy for another 5 years and have conducted with their followers in the MSM and online a very divisive campaign and smeared Corbyn at every opportunity.

@Anonymous. The Conservatives want a steady flow of immigrants. If you close the borders then wages will rise due to a restricted supply. It's for employers to keep wages down and have the whole world as a potential supply so business gets what it requires. The Conservatives never want business owner's wealth to be limited because they are unable to procure souls for labour. They want a permanent buyers market. In the late nineties Blair's right wing New Labour government got complaints from businesses that in the unsustainable boom (that would result in a crash in 2008) they couldn't get staff. Blair obliged by generating a little unemployment for them. Skilled immigrants help the economy, with the Conservative's deliberate austerity policies immigration is one of the few things that has improved it. It's ironic of course that the ultra right nationalists who detest foreigners support a party that supports immigration.

Anonymous said...

The Conservatives are attempting to create a dictatorship. It’s Official

The Conservatives are attempting to create a dictatorship. It’s Official

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Anonymous said...

"The Conservatives want a steady flow of immigrants. If you close the borders then wages will rise due to a restricted supply. It's for employers to keep wages down and have the whole world as a potential supply so business gets what it requires."

Interesting and very well put. If it's so bad for workers wages, why does Labour want such high rates of immigration?

Antitoria said...

Labour doesn't want 840,000 immigrants/year that the Conservatives claim will happen. By investing in infrastructure there will be more jobs and higher salaries generated by demand as opposed to the Conservative's austerity cuts. Therefore the locals and immigrants win as opposed to the Conservatives immigrants benefit, locals not so much and bosses become the primary beneficiaries. Most populations dislike the idea of immigrants coming into their country and it's not necessarily racist to have this dislike. It's unfortunate that immigration has been weaponised so often by politicians. Conservative policy is usually to appeal to nationalism and promise to reduce immigration while quietly allowing them in.

Anonymous said...

"You'd be showing that you're one of the people who wilfully ignore so much malice, incompetence and right-wing authoritarian scheming simply because you think it's all outweighed by whatever (probably imaginary) personal benefit you'll be getting from a Tory government, and that you're simply too much of a coward to even explain yourself."

Yeah, could be. Or do you think people aren't going to play along with this "Game" because Thomas explicitly stated that to play, you're not allowed to produce any criticism of the Labour party or its policies i.e:

“Now I'm going to define what I mean when I use the word "explicitly" so that there is no confusion:
If you mention Jeremy Corbyn, Labour, or any other political party or figure you're engaging in whataboutery deflection.”

Just a thought.

Anonymous said...

Several of these have been debunked before.

"In 2010 the Tories promised to eliminate the deficit by 2015. In 2019 they're still nowhere near eliminating it."

That's bollocks. https://www.ft.com/content/3f7db634-1cac-11e8-aaca-4574d7dabfb6

"and more new public debt created in the process than every single Labour government in history combined?"

When the economy shrank, suddenly we had a hefty deficit. Reducing that took time. What was AAV's proposal? Oh yes - increase spending.

"Huge rise in child poverty"

Depends whether we're talking absolute or relative poverty. Relative poverty has increased but this is a result of an improvement in the standard of living.

"As a result of the shambolic Tory privatisation of the railways the UK has the most expensive, most over-crowded and least reliable rail service of any comparable developed European nation."

Not true. The most expensive is specifically for a same day single for a journey of 50 miles.Picking and choosing can get all sorts of results as shown by seat61: https://www.seat61.com/uk-europe-train-fares-comparison.html

"Corporations paying less tax than their employees"

Since tax is only paid on income above £12,500, this only applies to employees earning more than £55,000 or so. Someone earning £25,000 a year pays 10% income tax.

"voted down an opposition amendment to their housing bill that would have required landlords to ensure that rented accommodation is 'fit for human habitation'"

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I agree with everything else in your comment but think this needs some going over. The economy shrank because the neo-liberals who support the E.U thought Keynsian economics is still a valid approach to an economy and utilised austerity to artificially shrink the nationalised parts of the economy in response to the crash. That and making an enormous amount of private debt public debt (bank bailouts) was unbelievably stupid. But that's what you get with state sponsored protection rackets for welfare queens like the central banks. Ironically Thomas is actually correct on some of these points, however he fails to grasp the nuance of a nationalised economy, that is that it mirrors a privatised one. Investment is definitely needed in these sectors, you need to ensure wages are kept competitive and as you don't have the free market mechanism to ensure this with basic supply and demand, you need to invest in Nurses wages for instance. This hasn't been done (again that's what you get when you have MP's running these things instead of businessmen who know what they're doing.

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"however he fails to grasp the nuance of a nationalised economy, that is that it mirrors a privatised one."
Can you expand upon this. Aren't there big differences between say a Nationalised railway and the currently privatised model ?

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Yes there are. A Nationalised model is funded through revenue from commuters and taxes when the revenue, inevitably does not fund this. This isn't a criticism of a nationalised rail model per se, there are only two rail networks worldwide that fund themselves on revenue alone and those are in Hong Kong and Japan (assuming Hong Kong doesn't fall to Chinese Socialism). Hong Kong I'd have to research but Japan more or less funds itself from rail revenue as well as the revenue the seven major corporations who own its major networks receive from property surrounding the network itself. Japan is entirely privatised and the most efficient rail network internationally (I believe, or it's in the top three).

As a specific market I'd confidently say rail networks suffer from becoming a natural monopoly. Hypothetically you could make an argument for a completely free market rail network in the UK, wholly free of subsidy if it were not so specifically London centric. Japan has major cities that have a broadly speaking equal economic output and obviously this enables travel more freely across it, where as we've clearly got an issue with economic deprivation in the UK. Obviously you can't magic this away so it's a serious problem. It's probably why you get libertarian/free marketeers actually stating the rail network should be nationalised. But that's what a history of socialism in the UK get's you (Those old mining towns aren't exactly drawing in tourists or work).

The current market design is pretty appalling. It's corporations held up by subsidy which means: it doesn't need to be competitive. This explains non competitive wages for it's workers as well as the worst inefficiencies of a nationally owned system as the rails themselves are run by the state. This explains why you have such high subsidy as well, after all: it's the state's fault the rail lines aren't working and they have to subsidise the corporations for this as it's their fault a lot of the time trains don't run. More subsidy, more inefficiencies. All of this is underpinned by the need for bailouts because: The Uk would be fucked if the rail stopped working.

Either way both models adhere to supply and demand because they are markets. They also adhere to the need for making wages competitive. You can actually look at state funded and wholly nationalised industries in the Uk right now and easily make the case that they simply do not pay enough. Private markets clearly do, especially in London. It's evidence of the inefficiencies of a market the state is involved in. People in these pages would argue that it's the Tories fault and it's austerity etc and they're half right but very few of them would be loathe to admit that wholly privatised industries do not have nearly this issue.

Unless you artificially flood a market with immigrants which again, is an intervention by the state and has clearly and very obviously lowered wages in markets like construction.

To summarise: This is why despite identifying largely with minarchist libertarian-ism: I still think re-nationalising the rail network is a good idea.

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FYI: Private industries don't have the issue of low wages (unless you have a spike in migration), because the free market mechanism clearly makes them competitive. Nationalised industries do because: MP's are ideological and misinformed AND they're centrally organising a market rather then individual business people competing. Also individual business people don't change around too different markets their in charge of every two to four years based on cabinet re-shuffles and they don't have to deal with sudden cuts in funding or pointless bureaucracy.

PFI for instance would never happen in a privatised healthcare market as it would cause any business to go under. Similarly in a privatised healthcare market you would simply not be able to afford healthcare if you were dirt poor. However a privitised healthcare market clearly has much better innovation for medical materials and cures etc.

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Honestly: No. Socialism by nature of it's very ideology is anti capitalist. I'd first try to get a good understanding of it through reading the specific literature as well as read Das Capital and definitely read the communist manifesto. It's shocking how few people I've met on these pages and in real life who advocate for it but do not understand or are wholly ignorant of what it's actually telling people to do i.e totalitarianism of a one party state, but i digress. Once you've done this you'll be able to understand the argument someone like myself would make that socialism inevitably leads to communism if its not met with democratic upheaval and free market reforms. Lenin actually called himself a Social democrat. So does John McDonnell... Now.

I think you can boil Socialis down to: We'll nationalise a market because that way it's fair however.

There's arguments to be made for state intervention. We definitely need state run courts, prisons, police, well managed and nationalised welfare and strict control on immigration and of course you can argue for the rail network too. But where you want to take it from there is entirely down to you and that's where all of us here are disagreeing.

Honestly, read Thomas Sowell: Basic economics. Make it your priority if you can. I'd read Keynes, I'd read Marx and I genuinely thought it was the way. But I thought I needed to refute so many of the arguments thrown my way about it I bit the bullet and ended up being faced with facts. You can get it for free on youtube as an audiobook and the first forty minutes was one of the most eye opening I've ever read as it literally just described the basic market mechanism of, well: A market. What supply and demand is and so on. It's terminology used by all economists and it'll give you the bare bones of understanding to start making these decisions.

"here must be ways to introduce competition into a nationalised healthcare system, couldn't you have groups of national drug manufacturers and evaluate their performance against each other and eliminate any underperforming unit"

The Soviets tried that I think. It didn't go to well. You can't recreate a free market in a nationalised one without insane waste and it never performs efficiently. I'm not saying privatise the NHS, god knows it'll be more efficient but I'd never trust any politician to touch it now. I'm saying: Understanding the economics and then see how you can utilise that to make a system, nationalised or private, run more efficiently.

Right, I've had enough of this for the evening. You're actually something of a gem to talk to. I appreciate your candour. Have a merry Christmas mate.

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I have a copy of Marx's Das Capital that I've tried to read several times. I only got a few hundred pages in before I give up. The reason fr this is although I think his theories are a work of genius his brilliance is not in explaining his theories. It maybe but is probably not related to the translation. I suppose capitalism by its nature is anti-socialist. Health is something I feel should not be charged for (other than NI). I hate the idea of private health care even for billionaires. You believe that private healthcare would be run more efficiently and there would be greater innovation. I think innovation would be independent of the political system, either an individual or group has the brilliance or they don't. I've worked for many private companies (not healthcare) and they all have one thing in common: the work systems they deployed are not optimal. You get some form that someone created in 5 minutes that takes weeks to fully see how that relates to your work, even then you're still saddled with something that doesn't work well. And some public company might have a better system (or not). These things also impact efficiency. If it costs £20K to stay overnight in a private hospital then that's not very efficient in terms of value for money either.

"You're actually something of a gem to talk to". Nobody's ever said that before, thankyou anyway. Have a good Christmas also

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