One of the most infuriating things about covering this interminable Brexit shambles is the stultifying 'groupthink' that infests the Remain movement.
It's impossible to count the number of times I've been insuted and accused of being a Brexiteer for questioning the strategy of investing so much time and effort in demanding an incredibly risky "another roll of the dice" referendum with the Tories still in power, and nothing whatever having been done to clamp down on electoral cheats, political liars, and social media dark ads since Remain lost the previous referendum in 2016.
Despite all the smears and abuse from the 'groupthink' mob I actually hold a significantly firmer stance against the Brexit chaos than a lot of them seem to, believing that Article 50 should be revoked (as per the ECJ ruling that the UK can revoke it at any time) and that another referendum should only ever be held under a specific set of circumstances:
1. The Brexiteers must come up with a detailed manifesto detailing how they would seek to implement Brexit (Single Market? Customs Union? Protection of workers' rights? Protection of environmental laws? Consumer protections? Security co-operation? Negotiating objectives for a post-Brexit trade deal with the EU. Plans for the Irish border issue. What if Scotland vote's against it again? ...) that they can be held to account on.
2. Electoral laws must be strengthened to clamp down on electoral cheats and liars with substantial fines, bars from political office, and jail terms for the worst offenders.
3. New regulations must be introduced to clamp down on social media dark ads.The problem of course is that the trendy Remainer 'groupthink' is to continue demanding another referendum now, so my views that the absolute priority should be preventing a catastrophic "no deal" meltdown, and that another referendum with undefined options on the ballot is an insanely risky strategy are considered unacceptable thought crime by a significant swathe of Remainers, who spit hate at me and even accuse me of being a Brexiteer because I won't mindlessly go along with the insanely risky gamble that they insist is the best approach.
However with the impending prospect of Boris Johnson as Prime Minister, surely it would be sensible for these another referendum now advocates to accept that their dream of a do-or-die, clash of civilisations culture war of another referendum is becoming vanishingly unlikely, and stop throwing even more energy and resources into demanding something that's just not going to happen?
But "sensible" just isn't in a lot of these people's natures.
From their spreading of delusional fantasies that pre-2016 Britain was some kind of magnificent utopia, to spitting hate at people who are even more sceptical about Brexit than they are for the heresy of thinking that an "another roll of the dice" referendum with the Tories still in charge is actually a terribly risky idea; from refusing to critique austerity and its living standards-trashing role in causing the Brexit backlash in the first place, to arrogantly sneering at left-behind communities like Morecambe; a lot of this behaviour is strategically inept, dangerously counter-productive, and about as far from "sensible" as it's possible to get.
And "sensible" simply doesn't take into account the sunk costs fallacy either.
In order to switch from Another referendum now to Revoke Article 50 and no more undefined options on ballots ever they'd have to admit that huge amounts of the time and effort they expended on their People's Vote hysteria were essentially wasted, when they should have seen sense months ago and switched to Revoke Article 50 after it become absolutely obvious that Theresa May and the Tories had made an absolute mess of the Brexit negotiations.
Even though the looming spectre of Boris Johnson as Prime Minister by default means their another referendum now objective is further away than it's ever been, the temptation for them will obviously to continue chucking away even more time, effort, and resources rather than admit that it was a mistake, and move on to a more coherent and less risky strategy.
You only need to look at how the Brexiteers have worked tirelessly to move away from the "we can be like Norway" and "only a madman would quit the Single Market" positioning of the 2016 referendum to the "no deal" militancy of today to understand that Brexit-sceptics need to adopt an equally firm position in response in the face of this ever intensifying ideological fanaticism.
If you're absolutely set against any kind of Brexit compromise as a strategy to ensure that a ruinous "no deal" meltdown can't happen, then you really need to take something solid into the culture war you're determined to provoke, rather than some pathetic wishy-washy "let's play again in the rigged game we lost at last time" nonsense.
Brexit-sceptics shouldn't be demanding a re-roll of the dice under the exact same circumstances they lost the last time, they should be demanding revocation of Article 50 because of the unbelievably shambolic mess the Brexiteers have made of their own damned project, and stipulations to ensure that any future referendums are conducted fairly, and with clearly defined options rather than vague objectives on the ballot.
Anything less is just doomed-to-fail weakness in the face of the extreme ideological militancy of "no deal" fanaticism.
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What REALLY gets my goat on this is the assertion by politicians and TV news that the country is somehow at each other's throats over this. They're not, they just want it done with. Most people who voted, I'll go so far as to say 99% have accepted the result.
ReplyDeleteThey may not be happy, they may think it is stupid BUT they accept it and don't want to constantly rehash it. They want the politicians to actually get on and DO something, ANYTHING!
But, even for those who are out on the streets, how can they get what they want ie stopping Brexit, without being undemocratic?
In advance we were told that the result would be final, after the result the House of Parliament voted in favour of actually carrying out the wishes as per the referendum so it seems there is no democratic way to overturn this, no matter HOW anyone feels about it.
The ONLY way forward seems to be to agree the bill on HOW we leave and then progress to debate on how any future relationship will work. And there's no point waiting until a GE is held and saying that support for the party that manages to form a government out of the future predicted chaos (predicted by me anyway) because voters DON'T vote for parties ONLY because of Brexit policy, no matter WHAT the LibDems think. Dyed in the wool Tories won't be voting Labour and vice versa.
Even IF I agreed with what the Tories wanted to do on Brexit I could never live with myself for voting for them, Bevan was right, lower than vermin. NB, being Scottish and therefore, according to Boris I am myself 'verminous', it STILL puts me as being slightly better lol!
To recant on something the nation has voted for and then parliament has voted for would genuinely result in a total loss of faith in politics. Obviously many have felt this before, but this would be an open, in your face, betrayal of a public vote. The type of action, from which, there is no way back from.
Not that I see it happening though, remember this was backed by TORIES and THEY don't have to put up with the same crap us mere mortals do.
So, whatever anyone believes, I think it will happen. In one way bad, in another way it is necessary (democratically speaking)
What if parliment agree on a deal/a way forward and the E.U refuse it?
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Yes mate, the UK voted for Brexit because a majority of us are obsessed with WW1 and 2 and re-building the British empire...
ReplyDeleteBecause somehow leaving the E.U means we'll colonised India again.
Because leaving the E.U means we'll go to war with the U.S to rub out their constitution.
Because leaving the E.U means we'll FINALLY outmatch those damn mongolians in terms of territory historically claimed through conquest.
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Well yeah, parliament asked for an extension. They're 73% remain (you think MPs dont have business/personal ties with a centralised trading block, bit nieve there). Parliment does not want Brexit. Similarly Donald Tusk offered a free trade deal actually stating it was better for the E.U and U.K to do so prior to the extension... and parliment and the media (majority remain) ignored it and went for an extension instead.
ReplyDeleteYou've obviously got no evidence that 37% of people voted due to an obsession with Empire and WW1/WW2, you're needlessly demonising people who disagree with you. Standard from these pages tbh.
Personally I voted to leave because of the austerity sanctions repeatedly imposed on Greece by the E.U that are seen by the U.N as human rights abuses. I suspect a great many people feel strongly about that. You dont appear too... that's your choice, however disturbing it is.
FYI, my last post was being sarcastic because you're assertion about the 37%: was absolutely absurd.
ReplyDeleteIt's very simple. Leavers want a free trade deal which is entirely possible (I already gave you the example of Tusk) or a no deal then the various aspects of leaving the E.U negotiated afterward. This isnt happening because, again, parliament is majority remain and is styming the entire process so it doesnt happen, hence the civil unrest in the U.K. throwing insults at a large portion of the U.K population for democratically voting is childish, untrue, nieve and really shows youd rather demonise people you disagree with rather then do the most basic of research. Best of luck with you're future endevours.
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Setting those requirements on the holding of referenda isn't possible. No Parliament can bind a future Parliament and, if we revoked Article 50 without even holding a referendum, Brexiteers would have absolutely no reason to pay even the slightest bit of attention to them. They would insist that the referendum result was honoured, and might well even invoke Article 50 again without holding another one.
ReplyDeleteI do agree that, in an ideal world, simply revoking Article 50 would be a better option. The problem is that it's really difficult to win the argument for that against people who claim it is "anti-democratic". A Second Referendum is simply much easier to sell, and much less likely to settle the issue properly.
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